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  • Status of "XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job" retrospective

    It's still very much alive. Don't believe what you hear.

    I contacted Evan Karagias. He wanted $100 for an interview so I said thanks but no thanks.

    I've contacted Tommy Dreamer directly several times in the last month (requesting an interview) and am waiting for him to call me back. For those who don't know, I talked to him in person in March and he had mixed feelings. His WWE/ECW contract may be an issue, but I'm doing my best to try to get around it. I saw him last week too but I could tell he wasn't in a good mood so I didn't bother to try to talk to him then.

    I saw Justin Credible recently (same night I saw Dreamer) and asked him for an interview but he just wanted to go back to the hotel. I will see him again in a week or so and will ask him again, but it may not happen because since then he's signed back with WWE/ECW.

    Also, believe it or not, some drama JUST recently went down between Messiah and Lizzy Borden in the last few days...

    "Mr. XPW" Kristian Blood and Altar Boy Luke have officially joined the ranks of "XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job."

    And last but not least...

    Damien Steele has risen from the ashes...(no details...that's all I'll say for now)






    In 1999, a revolution began in Southern California. From then on, independent wrestling was never the same again. Go behind closed doors and hear the stories that Jasmin St. Claire, Messiah, and others don't want you to hear. Learn the true story of XPW, straight from those who lived it. Featuring shoot-style interviews with Shane Douglas, Jerry Lynn, Josh Lazie, and many, many others. The retrospective is officially endorsed by adult film legend Ron Jeremy, and unofficially endorsed by many others such as former-porn star Kristi Myst, wrestler Chris Hamrick, wrestling manager/musician Josh Lazie, and "Planet of the Apes" producer/wrestler/magician/entertainer Verne Langdon.
    Last edited by Jonathan Barber756; 06-09-2006, 04:13 PM.
    "I'll laugh at you for writting a press release over Tommy Dreamer rejecting your request for an interview. *Dikembe finger wave*" - True Fan

    Tommy Dreamer involves SELF in BWOHTJ.

    "It would be fitting for these two rugged outdoorsmen to now be enjoying heavenís wildlife together." - me, about Big Dick Dudley & John Kronus

  • #2
    One other thing - I apologize for posting the tidbit about Messiah/Lizzy as it was inaccurate. Lizzy contacted me complaining that Messiah was harassing over myspace. Messiah has since contacted me and was rightfully upset that I didn't ask him about it in advance.
    "I'll laugh at you for writting a press release over Tommy Dreamer rejecting your request for an interview. *Dikembe finger wave*" - True Fan

    Tommy Dreamer involves SELF in BWOHTJ.

    "It would be fitting for these two rugged outdoorsmen to now be enjoying heavenís wildlife together." - me, about Big Dick Dudley & John Kronus

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Jonathan Barber756
      One other thing - I apologize for posting the tidbit about Messiah/Lizzy as it was inaccurate. Lizzy contacted me complaining that Messiah was harassing over myspace. Messiah has since contacted me and was rightfully upset that I didn't ask him about it in advance.

      Then why the fuck would you even mention it. Messiah obviously told you it wasn't true. That is the worst display of journalism I have ever seen. You are truly a disgrace. You must be smarter than you are showing us here. No one here knew about this "inaccurate tidbit" because you did not post what it was. Then when you so called 'apologize for it' you give up the inaccurate info. Pathetic.

      Dude, do yourself and us a favor, just go away from here if you are going to act like that.
      I hate all you simple minded jackasses

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      • #4
        Woooooo, slow down there, horsey...

        Messiah obviously told you it wasn't true.
        This right there is entirely false.

        Ignoring that total misjudgment on your part, though - EVEN if he did tell me it wasn't true (he didn't), we all know Billy's word is the gospel (he's the Messiah after all, you know...). Messiah has a reputation for making private matters public. History speaks for itself.

        That is the worst display of journalism I have ever seen.
        So in one minute, I did an even better job of making a private matter public than Messiah did in an entire year-long promo campaign circa 2002! Ever hear, "Pot, kettle, black?"

        No one here knew about this "inaccurate tidbit" because you did not post what it was.
        The sky is blue; what's your point?

        Your assessment of the situation is entirely wrong. Judging by the lack of responses to this thread, its not like people gave a shit about what was said in the first place. Messiah is just throwing a fit.

        For those people who don't know what is going on here, it is nothing like D here has portrayed it. I could explain my side but there is no point. It sucks that Messiah would try to portray the situation to you (D) as he did when in reality it was so different, but that is fine because history indicates that Messiah does business how he wants to do business and there's no changing that. The public portrayal of him does not make him a strong candidate for "Mr. Morality," but that was fine to me; from the first time I spoke to him, I was willing to look past that and give him a chance to comment on rumors; if he doesn't want to comment, that's fine. There are a lot of things that suck about the way Messiah chose to handle this situation, but it will do no good for me to stoop to his level. It isn't the first time Bitter Billy has become upset about mistakes in his past being brought up, nor will it be the last, and it's not something worth bothering about on my end.

        Dude, do yourself and us a favor, just go away from here
        Sure thing. Only for you D...this is all that's worth saying about this matter, I am done with this thread.
        Last edited by Jonathan Barber756; 06-21-2006, 09:42 AM.
        "I'll laugh at you for writting a press release over Tommy Dreamer rejecting your request for an interview. *Dikembe finger wave*" - True Fan

        Tommy Dreamer involves SELF in BWOHTJ.

        "It would be fitting for these two rugged outdoorsmen to now be enjoying heavenís wildlife together." - me, about Big Dick Dudley & John Kronus

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        • #5
          Oh, and another thing, before anybody replies to this cuz I know they will - to make something clear...being that we're not talking about someone here who has a positive track record, I don't blame Billy for being shy about his past. He has a LOT of things to want to hide from his fans about his past, ranging from the domestic dispute to relationships he doesn't want people to know about to lots more. That's NOT my problem with him.

          My problem with him is that he talked shit about me behind my back because he was too stubborn to work things out with me himself. It's pathetic that he let such a minor, vague reference to his past weigh on his mind so much, but thats the way it had to go.

          Should I have posted what I did? No. That's why I apologized to him repeatedly, but being who he is that's not enough for him.

          I know you read this board, the door is still open Billy, but the ball is in your court.

          That's the bottom line, there's nothing else to say.
          Last edited by Jonathan Barber756; 06-21-2006, 12:01 PM.
          "I'll laugh at you for writting a press release over Tommy Dreamer rejecting your request for an interview. *Dikembe finger wave*" - True Fan

          Tommy Dreamer involves SELF in BWOHTJ.

          "It would be fitting for these two rugged outdoorsmen to now be enjoying heavenís wildlife together." - me, about Big Dick Dudley & John Kronus

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          • #6
            It's funny you think you have some power over Messiah and that since he's mad at you that you'll teach him a lesson.

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            • #7
              Before it comes off like Im just attacking you even though you make it so easy I willsay Im looking forward to this article you are doing and whatever dirt you have on Messiah. I hope this shit gets published on scu and not some lame doi site.

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              • #8
                It's funny that Barber thinks people actually talk trash behind his back instead just right in front of him. Hell, Barber pays people to talk trash about him.
                I Believe in Harvey Dent

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                • #9
                  I find it even more pathetic how Barber was bitching about Paul T "knowing" things about the business that he claims he shouldnt, yet Barber throws wrestlers names around like he's somebody important or even a part of the business

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jonathan Barber756
                    My problem with him is that he talked shit about me behind my back because he was too stubborn to work things out with me himself. It's pathetic that he let such a minor, vague reference to his past weigh on his mind so much, but thats the way it had to go.
                    You're pissed that Messiah talked shit behind your back, huh. What are you, 17 or 18? Maybe 19? You're a teenage wrestling pseudo-journalist. You are the bottom of the totem pole of importance in not only wrestling but general society. Read this sentence out loud to yourself. "You are a WRESTLING_PSEUDO_JOURNALIST." I had the same mindset as you at one point (like when I was your age), except I'm pretty sure I was about 100X smarter (perhaps 1000X). You should be honored a pro-wrestler felt this way because I'm surprised anyone would care enough to talk shit about you behind your back. If anything, you should thank Messiah because for whatever reason he cares enough to give you attention. Maybe you can piss off a few more wrestlers and feel more important.

                    Justin

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                    • #11
                      Webb - So basically you are giving me a vague lecture about general journalism obligations? Tremendous.

                      Is anyone (other than you) defending your side of that "argument"?
                      Yes, Lizzy Borden.

                      From Lizzy's June 8 public myspace blog:

                      i swear ive never met so many cool peeps here but at the same time ive seen and noticed people r fn stupid my page is all f uped cause of assholes that cant take it....i know who some are...espically and old asshole wrestler that use to work for us but got fired u want a battle u know were i live come over u bitch.....here is the intials WW.... BRING IT U FN PUSSY IVE BEAT UP GUYS BEFORE BRING YOUR BITCH TOO

                      If thats not drama, nothing is. There, Lizzy directly implicates Messiah a.k.a. Billy Welch a.k.a. William Welch as fucking with her myspace. Whether he did or not doesn't matter...it is still drama. Should I have asked him about it in advance before posting it? Yes. Did I? No. Did I apologize? Yes, relentlessly. Was it warranted to post in the first place, considering Messiah is a public figure who has stirred up a great deal of controversy about himself? Absolutely.

                      There was drama that went down between Billy Welch and Lizzy Borden and I was warranted in posting it as I did. Everybody else - whether it be Justin or D or someone else - who has made a scene about it is getting on my case because they have nothing better to do.

                      You, however, present things as fact but never have any real proof of anything.
                      The same thing can be said about Messiah.

                      As I said before, I DO NOT BLAME Billy for getting uptight when he realizes his past is about to be aired in the open. I would, too. What makes me mad at him here is that he must go behind my back because he can't talk it out with me himself. He is a sissy, a wimp, a pussy, a hypocrite - whatever the hell you want to call it - who is willing to make VERY, VERY SERIOUS accusations against mainstream people (not Internet personalities) but can't take it when someone posts a single-sentence speculative rumor about him.

                      As Kleinrock said in his SCU interview, the door is still open for Billy, but it is in his court, not mine. If he wants to stop being uptight he is welcomed to participate but otherwise I frankly don't want to deal with him.

                      As I said from the start, the worst thing I did in this matter was report a vague reference to be fact, and it still has yet to be proven that it was not fact.

                      End this shit now and stop polluting the board, it is SO incredibly ridiculous that you have made such a big deal about this.
                      Last edited by Jonathan Barber756; 06-23-2006, 05:01 PM.
                      "I'll laugh at you for writting a press release over Tommy Dreamer rejecting your request for an interview. *Dikembe finger wave*" - True Fan

                      Tommy Dreamer involves SELF in BWOHTJ.

                      "It would be fitting for these two rugged outdoorsmen to now be enjoying heavenís wildlife together." - me, about Big Dick Dudley & John Kronus

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                      • #12
                        He is a sissy, a wimp, a pussy
                        LOL, I bet that sissy, wimp, pussy would beat the fuck out of you.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jonathan Barber756
                          It's still very much alive. Don't believe what you hear.

                          I contacted Evan Karagias. He wanted $100 for an interview so I said thanks but no thanks.

                          I've contacted Tommy Dreamer directly several times in the last month (requesting an interview) and am waiting for him to call me back. For those who don't know, I talked to him in person in March and he had mixed feelings. His WWE/ECW contract may be an issue, but I'm doing my best to try to get around it. I saw him last week too but I could tell he wasn't in a good mood so I didn't bother to try to talk to him then.

                          I saw Justin Credible recently (same night I saw Dreamer) and asked him for an interview but he just wanted to go back to the hotel. I will see him again in a week or so and will ask him again, but it may not happen because since then he's signed back with WWE/ECW.

                          Also, believe it or not, some drama JUST recently went down between Messiah and Lizzy Borden in the last few days...
                          "Mr. XPW" Kristian Blood and Altar Boy Luke have officially joined the ranks of "XPW: Bleeding Was Only HALF the Job."

                          And last but not least...

                          Damien Steele has risen from the ashes...(no details...that's all I'll say for now)






                          In 1999, a revolution began in Southern California. From then on, independent wrestling was never the same again. Go behind closed doors and hear the stories that Jasmin St. Claire, Messiah, and others don't want you to hear. Learn the true story of XPW, straight from those who lived it. Featuring shoot-style interviews with Shane Douglas, Jerry Lynn, Josh Lazie, and many, many others. The retrospective is officially endorsed by adult film legend Ron Jeremy, and unofficially endorsed by many others such as former-porn star Kristi Myst, wrestler Chris Hamrick, wrestling manager/musician Josh Lazie, and "Planet of the Apes" producer/wrestler/magician/entertainer Verne Langdon.

                          The part above that is BOLD and underlined is what you said first. It said NOTHING about WHAT THE DRAMA WAS!!

                          Then in your apology post quoted here: "One other thing - I apologize for posting the tidbit about Messiah/Lizzy as it was inaccurate. Lizzy contacted me complaining that Messiah was harassing over myspace. Messiah has since contacted me and was rightfully upset that I didn't ask him about it in advance."

                          See the word inaccurate?? That is where the apology should have ended. But no, you when on to type the inaccurate tidbit. Do you not see the errors of your ways??

                          Come on now, you started this mess. Don't bitch at us for calling you out on it.
                          I hate all you simple minded jackasses

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                          • #14
                            D - Yes, I admit I should have left it at that (after "inaccurate"), I should not have continued with it, I agree with you on that.
                            "I'll laugh at you for writting a press release over Tommy Dreamer rejecting your request for an interview. *Dikembe finger wave*" - True Fan

                            Tommy Dreamer involves SELF in BWOHTJ.

                            "It would be fitting for these two rugged outdoorsmen to now be enjoying heavenís wildlife together." - me, about Big Dick Dudley & John Kronus

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                            • #15
                              PS As far as Justin Credible goes, I was going to speak to him at intermission of a recent show. However, his match was the one right before intermission and during it he did something that wasn't in the script which pissed the promoter off big-time, so he had a huge blowup with the promoter as soon as he stepped backstage and subsequently left the building immediately, so I didn't get to ask him about said interview.
                              "I'll laugh at you for writting a press release over Tommy Dreamer rejecting your request for an interview. *Dikembe finger wave*" - True Fan

                              Tommy Dreamer involves SELF in BWOHTJ.

                              "It would be fitting for these two rugged outdoorsmen to now be enjoying heavenís wildlife together." - me, about Big Dick Dudley & John Kronus

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